Huckabee Lied; Mormons Sighed
Do Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?
No.
Would Mike Huckabee accept that answer? Probably not.
No.
Would Mike Huckabee accept that answer? Probably not.
The query came up in a discussion with New York Times reporter, and it was accompanied by a statement that Huck “did not know much” about the Mormons. Yet he asked a leading question designed to make Mormons look freaky, and he did so presuming that he already knew the answer. So if I had been there and said “no,” he would likely have accused me of being evasive.
The reality is that he’s the one who’s warping the truth in order to smear my faith, and the twit knows damn well what he’s doing.
The “Jesus/Satan Brotherhood” question, as the spokesman for the LDS Church stated, “is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.”
The “Jesus/Satan Brotherhood” question, as the spokesman for the LDS Church stated, “is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.”
Because we don’t believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. Jesus had no brothers.
He was the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh.
The New Testament does imply that he had half-brothers – and probably sisters, too - who were children of both Mary and Joseph. One of those half-brothers, James, wrote an eponymous epistle that is part of the scriptural canon.
None of those brothers was Satan. And my Church has never said, implied, or believed otherwise.
“Wait a minute!” the Huckster might answer. “You believe that both Jesus and Satan lived in heaven before the creation of the Earth, and that both are the spirit children of God, don’t you? Deny that, you lying Mormon cultist!”
Ah, so the question is deeper than it appears, isn’t it, Hucky? Which belies your own smirky little lie that you don’t know much about my faith. Because to even ask your smarmy question, you have to have a basic understanding of the LDS doctrine of preexistence, and the idea that all of us are sons and daughters of God, at least as far as the soul is concerned. So in that sense, yes, Jesus and Satan are brothers, as much as I’m a brother of, say, Manuel Noriega. But if you were to ask me if Manuel were my brother, I’d say no, because I only have one brother – in the flesh. And when people ask me about my brother, I usually answer without thinking theologically or spiritually. Manuel never figures into the equation.
When you asked the question, you intended it to be heard one way even when you knew you were insinuating something else. It’s the same tactic that puds like you employ when you go around saying Mormons aren’t Christians. Using specific theological constructs – i.e. Mormons are not a part of the historical Christian tradition, or Mormons deny the Nicene Creed – you define Christian in an exclusive way that is lost on the casual listener, who hears “Mormons aren’t Christians” and concludes that we worship Joseph Smith or Brigham Young or a head of polygamous lettuce and not Jesus Christ.
Both “Christian” and, in this case, “brother,” have both a common definition and a theological one. When you slander us as “non-Christians” or “Jesus/Satan/Brother” types, you are thinking theologically while, at the same time, intending the hearer to associate the accusation with the common definition.
In other words, you are deliberately attempting to be misunderstood. Or, to put it more bluntly, you’re being dishonest.
You, Mr. Huckabee, are excrement.
None of those brothers was Satan. And my Church has never said, implied, or believed otherwise.
“Wait a minute!” the Huckster might answer. “You believe that both Jesus and Satan lived in heaven before the creation of the Earth, and that both are the spirit children of God, don’t you? Deny that, you lying Mormon cultist!”
Ah, so the question is deeper than it appears, isn’t it, Hucky? Which belies your own smirky little lie that you don’t know much about my faith. Because to even ask your smarmy question, you have to have a basic understanding of the LDS doctrine of preexistence, and the idea that all of us are sons and daughters of God, at least as far as the soul is concerned. So in that sense, yes, Jesus and Satan are brothers, as much as I’m a brother of, say, Manuel Noriega. But if you were to ask me if Manuel were my brother, I’d say no, because I only have one brother – in the flesh. And when people ask me about my brother, I usually answer without thinking theologically or spiritually. Manuel never figures into the equation.
When you asked the question, you intended it to be heard one way even when you knew you were insinuating something else. It’s the same tactic that puds like you employ when you go around saying Mormons aren’t Christians. Using specific theological constructs – i.e. Mormons are not a part of the historical Christian tradition, or Mormons deny the Nicene Creed – you define Christian in an exclusive way that is lost on the casual listener, who hears “Mormons aren’t Christians” and concludes that we worship Joseph Smith or Brigham Young or a head of polygamous lettuce and not Jesus Christ.
Both “Christian” and, in this case, “brother,” have both a common definition and a theological one. When you slander us as “non-Christians” or “Jesus/Satan/Brother” types, you are thinking theologically while, at the same time, intending the hearer to associate the accusation with the common definition.
In other words, you are deliberately attempting to be misunderstood. Or, to put it more bluntly, you’re being dishonest.
You, Mr. Huckabee, are excrement.
Interpret that how you will.
posted by Elder Samuel Bennett | 4:39 PM
4 Comments:
You know, maybe it's because I'm Mormon, but I don't see anything disturbing at all about Satan and Christ being brothers. We're ALL Christ's brothers and sisters, in the way that we are all children of God.
I found his comments offensive.
They remind me of some of the things that were (are) said about Catholics. For example, the Latin Mass is really worshiping Satan. The use of Latin is to obscure the fact.
I hope he sinks faster than the Titanic.
Saying that Jesus and Satan were brothers is not disturbing to Mormons because we have a full understanding of the complete doctrines.
To an outsider who doesn't know or believe in a pre-existence, and thus has no frame of reference, is is very unsettling.
By raising the question in such an seemingly innocuous manner, Huckabee clearly understands the difference, but wishes to appear ignorant. It was a very cheap shot, to say the least. Jim's blog about Mormons being Christians comes to mind. There are those who believe Mormons are not Christians because we do not believe all of the same doctrines, and then there are those who think Mormons do not believe in Christ at all. The dishonest folks are those that fall into the first category, but spread the word hoping to rope people into the second category. After Huckabee's smarmy comment, it is clear he is one of those people indeed. Very dishonest at best. His "aw-shucks" persona is quickly wearing thin, I think. Mitt Romney would do well to steer completely clear of the discussion. Even to complain or retort would be giving credence to Huckabee's comments.
christians dance with rattlesnakes don't they? christians fall on the floor and speak gibberish don't they? Weren't most KKK members Southern Baptist?
Aren't christians the ones who murdered Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum while they were in a jail cell on a trumpt up charge?
I used the term christian with out capitalizing because they were not true Christians, for they do not follow his teachings . Huck is one of the same group of(christwolves)
In 1995 the southern baptists finally got around to denouncing slavery
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